Andi and Lise love antiheroes and all of their messy, complicated humanity. In this episode, they discuss some of their fave antiheroes and the flaws that make them relatable: Malcolm Reynolds (Firefly); Han Solo (Star Wars); Helena (Orphan Black); Parker (Leverage); Handsome Jack (Borderlands) Max and Furiosa (Fury Road); Sarah Connor (Terminator and T2); Andy (The Old Guard); Annalise Keating (How to Get Away with Murder).
Andi and Lise break down the 1991 movie Terminator 2: Judgment Day (directed and co-written by James Cameron), which they both consider is one of the best sequels ever made. Andi and Lise discuss themes, characters, pacing, plot, and nods that T2 includes to its 1984 predecessor, Terminator, and also how watching it now, in this historical context, gives them different perspectives than they had watching it both originally and over the years.
Here, Sarah Connor’s son John (he’s 15 now) is a juvenile delinquent living with foster parents while Sarah is warehoused in a psychiatric institution after she tried to bomb a computer factory (trying to destroy Skynet). But Skynet is at it again and sends a terminator back in time to kill him while the future resistance sends an alternative terminator back to protect him.
Shout-outs: Lise has been reading The Murderbot Diaries, a Hugo- and Nebula-winning novella series by Martha Wells, in which a “murderous android discovers itself”—its identity and the author interrogates that nature of consciousness through artificial intelligence (from Amazon description).
Andi does a shout-out to fellow author KD Williamson’s new YouTube channel, in which KD taste tests different hot sauces and shares recipes. She’s also bringing other authors on! Check it out at Grrl on Fire.
RUN, don’t walk to Netflix as you’re able and PLEASE watch the movie The Old Guard, starring Charlize Theron as Andromache of Scythia who is still alive.
“Four undying warriors who’ve secretly protected humanity for centuries become targeted for their mysterious powers just as they discover a new immortal.” – from Netflix description, available HERE.
But there’s a catch…
Adapted from Greg Rucka’s comic of the same name, the story is about Andromache’s (“Andy’s”) leadership of this team and their attempts to stay undetected over the centuries, and what it means to be immortal when there are so few people in the world who are. Excellent diverse characters (two of Andy’s team are men who are soulmates who met during the Crusades and the newest immortal is a Black woman), fabulous action scenes, fast pacing, strong writing.
This week Andi and Lise discuss the brand new documentary on Netflix, Disclosure, about trans representation in media. Laverne Cox is the executive producer and the documentary includes commentary from several trans actors, scholars, and creatives who discuss the harmful and dangerous tropes that trans characters have been subjected to for decades, but also the double-edged sword of that representation, a question Lise and Andi grapple with: is bad rep better than no rep? And how do we negotiate bad rep with visibility? Andi and Lise loved this documentary, they learned a lot, and they’ll be watching it again. It stays with you – as it should.
Find Disclosure on Netflix.
Watch the trailer HERE.
List of cast and crew HERE.
Lise highly recommends the book Planetfall, by Hugo-winning author Emma Newman. It’s part of her Planetfall series. Follow Ren and Lee Suh-Mi as they decide to seek out another planet beyond Earth that promises to reveal the truth about our place in the cosmos.
Andi is reading the graphic novel Archival Quality, written by Ivy Noelle Weir and illustrated by Steenz. Celeste loses her job at a library and takes another at a museum as an archivist, but it’s not what it seems and she soon finds herself confronting her relationships, her mental health, and possibly her grip on reality as she starts to dream of a woman she’s never met.
Andi and Lise have been working on expanding and decolonizing their media consumption, seeking out more creators of color and more creators who are differently abled, neurodiverse, and from different cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds than they are. They each share some of that media in this episode.
Andi: Ascension, by Jacqueline Koyanagi
N.K. Jemisin, Far Sector comic series
Movie Black Panther, directed and written by Ryan Coogler
Website Black Girl Nerds (LOL Andi and Lise lost count and Andi did 4 instead of 5); NOTE: website was fine at recording time, but afterward, it appears to be undergoing some work. You can find BGN on Twitter and Instagram, too.
This week, Andi and Lise watched a throwback film and dug into The Terminator, filmed in 1984. They discuss the portrayal of women, the kind of film it was, the context in which it was made, how a story can be told and moved through available tech at the time of filming, and trailblazing Gale Anne Hurd as producer and what that might have meant to the portrayal of female badasses in movies like this. (You may recognize Hurd’s name; she’s also the producer of The Walking Dead on AMC.)
Shout-outs! Lise just finished Rebecca Roanhorse’s post-apocalyptic Storm of Locusts, the second in her 6th World Series, and gives it two thumbs up (Andi and Lise talked about Roanhorse’s first book in the series, Trail of Lightning, in episode 71!) Andi decided to start watching Amazon Prime’s Hunters, which deals with literal Nazi-hunters in the 1970s. She got interested in what the US government was actually doing, letting Nazis into the country after WWII, and is now reading The Nazis Next Door, by Eric Lichtblau.
Andi and Lise are getting ready for a new year of geeking out! They each chat about movies they’re looking forward to, books/authors they want to read and other geekly things. To that end, here are some things they’re looking forward to:
Movies: Wonder Woman 1984 (trailer)
Possibly the re-make of Dune, though both are a little more cautious of that. (trailer) No Time to Die (latest James Bond; trailer)
Andi is finally watching the animated series Star Wars: Rebels and she’s loving it; she’s also watching the latest season of Dr. Who (Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor); and will be continuing on with her usual series.
Lise is stoked to check out Cyberpunk 2077 (info).
Andi Marquette flies solo this week (safe travels, Lise!) and chats with Christin Baker, CEO/president of tello Films, about the tello holiGAY romcom movie, Season of Love, officially releasing for download off the tello website December 1 (though you can preorder!). The movie has several screenings in the U.S. and another in the UK (London). Andi find out how the project came about, a bit about who’s involved, and what might be next for holiGAY rom-coms from tello.
From the movie’s website:
“Season of Love is a lighthearted rom-com featuring a large ensemble cast of diverse women and their connected love lives during the hectic holiday period just before Christmas through the New Year who discover love truly is the best gift of all. Follow IRIS, MARDOU, LOU, KENNA, JANEY, and SUE as they navigate the busy holiday season of love.”
Andi and Lise FINALLY got to talk about Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse because Lise put off seeing it until recently and then, as Andi suspected, it blew her mind.
Into the Spider-Verse is an animated origin story about Miles Morales, a teen who is, of course, bitten by a radioactive spider and is faced with taking on the mantle of Spider-Man in the wake of his universe’s loss of the previous Spider-Man. He also has to deal with villain Kingpin’s manipulation of the multiverse, which results in several incarnations of Spider-Man (that include two women) entering Miles’ universe. It’s an origin story and a story about found family and mentorship set against ground-breaking animation that includes fabulous characterization, dialogue, humor, anxiety, and sadness. It’s pretty much everything you want in a film, and both Andi and Lise highly recommend it. Good for all ages (but if you have trouble with animation and flashing lights because of a medical condition, maybe check the trailer first).
Andi and Lise talk about “queer coding” this week, and how it appeared in the 2007 movie Hot Fuzz, a British parody action comedy with Simon Pegg and Nick Frost. HF is part of a related trilogy of movies called, loosely, the Three Flavours Cornetto trilogy, based on a joke from the first of the three, 2004’s Shaun of the Dead.
“Queer coding” means that a movie’s creators and characters don’t deny a queer subtext in a movie. In HF’s case, there was supposed to be a cisgender heterosexual female love interest, but instead, script writers Simon Pegg and Edgar Wright gave all her lines to the other male character, which resulted in a really interesting relationship between the two male main characters, that could be coded as queer and wasn’t denied by the characters or the writers.
For a peek at how the show’s writers and characters thought about HF as slash fiction, see Fanlore.
And Lise’s weekly woo-hoo is Amazon Prime’s Good Omens miniseries, in which sworn enemies an angel and a demon have to team up to save the world. It’s based in the 1990 novel of the same name by the Neil Gaiman and the late Terry Pratchett.
Andi’s woo-hoo is for the first season (not sure there’ll be more!) of the series Gentleman Jack, based on the 19th-century diaries of English noblewoman Anne Lister, who, if she had the terminology, would most likely have identified as lesbian.
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